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Jordan Nuttall's avatar

Hello there Alejandro, I’ve been a quiet observer of your posts, always interesting, thank you.

I thought you may enjoy this article:

https://open.substack.com/pub/jordannuttall/p/laws-of-thought-before-ai?r=4f55i2&utm_medium=ios

Wyrd Smythe's avatar

I quite agree pancomputationalism is a fun topic! On some level, it seems trivially true that the universe is "computing" itself. I think a key question is whether it is discrete or continuous, a digital computer or an analog computer. Theories like loop quantum gravity feature a discrete background, but GR and most QM suggest a continuous background.

A thing about those Life Gliders is that, as with all our algorithms, they are abstractions designed by an intelligence. My sense is that algorithms are the end of a long evolution process that first creates intelligences capable of abstractions like algorithms (and maths in general).

FWIW, I like Penrose's argument in TENM that mind doesn't seem algorithmic because Gödel. He suggests quantum effects in the book (Hameroff approached him because of it with his microtubules idea), but it could just be that brains are analog computers, not discrete ones. We can, in a sense, "take the mental limit" of an idea like Gödel's to a "divide by zero" true conclusion outside of computation.

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